Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

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Sinny
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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Sinny » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:57 pm

Madrigal wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:04 pm
I see the reasonless policy as liable to being expoloited by people who simply don't want their views countered by x, y or z. While I think this is in line with the style of a moderated comments section of a publication, for example, I think it goes against the spirit of forums.

But a lot of the things I like about forums, like making a thread called "Is Guess Who a Right-Wing Radical?" would be a no-go under these policies since they now go against contemporary sensitivities, apparently.
The extensive list of rules make me feel like I just walked into a University "safe space" campus, not INTP-like at all, lol.

Over 1000 words written, on rules.
What the hell.

I find it interesting that you now can't discriminate against somebody based on their religion, considering how much you all loved bullying the Christian and how Oxygen is openly inciting the destruction of Christianity, is Islam fair game too, or?

I see the forum's new key words include "trans-rights" and "toxic-masculinity"... eek.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Julius_Van_Der_Beak » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:04 am

Also I'm Jewish. Madrigal seems to think I'm a Zionist, but that part isn't true. I'm not sure where she got that idea from.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Sinny » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:06 am

Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:25 pm
What is the policy regarding misinformation about Covid, QAnon, bogus stories about the oppression of white South African farmers, or Holocaust denial (I don't care what people say about certain foreign government and listen to Chapo Traphouse regularly, but holocaust denial is a different story)? Is this Facebook rules or Claverhouse rules? I think, given the political climate, people will demand a decision be made about what paradigm to use about potentially toxic misinformation, and I don't think a weird hybrid mixed paradigm is going to be sustainable.
If the forum wants to act like facebook, what is the point of it existing?
What a clown show. :lol:

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Sinny » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:07 am

Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:04 am
Also I'm Jewish. Madrigal seems to think I'm a Zionist, but that part isn't true. I'm not sure where she got that idea from.
Are you not one then?

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by oxyjen » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:11 am

That comment was a tongue in cheek, flippant comment, and you're right in that I should not have made it. I grew up in a very very conservative, judgmental sect of Christianity and I forget that many Christians do not have intolerant views, so I should not paint them with a wide brush. I do think it is a reality that fundamentalist religions are one of the last obstacles to some truly destructive worldviews, and I will call that out when I see it. Islam has bullshit too that needs to GFTO.

I have met the cool occasional Christian who emulates Jesus, who seemed like a rad dude. Apologies to all the cool Christians reading. To the Christians who make anti-trans bills their top priority--you are a mockery of your religion and I will battle you.
Sinny wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:57 pm
Madrigal wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:04 pm
I see the reasonless policy as liable to being expoloited by people who simply don't want their views countered by x, y or z. While I think this is in line with the style of a moderated comments section of a publication, for example, I think it goes against the spirit of forums.

But a lot of the things I like about forums, like making a thread called "Is Guess Who a Right-Wing Radical?" would be a no-go under these policies since they now go against contemporary sensitivities, apparently.
The extensive list of rules make me feel like I just walked into a University "safe space" campus, not INTP-like at all, lol.

Over 1000 words written, on rules.
What the hell.

I find it interesting that you now can't discriminate against somebody based on their religion, considering how much you all loved bullying the Christian and how Oxygen is openly inciting the destruction of Christianity, is Islam fair game too, or?

I see the forum's new key words include "trans-rights" and "toxic-masculinity"... eek.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Utisz » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:46 am

Just to mention that the "rules" are not rules, they were proposals.

And yeah, I agree Sinny that the 1000+ work dirge went overboard. :happy:
There were reasons for that, reasons which now seem largely moot.

The rule in effect right now is don't be an asshole.

This includes, but is not limited to: doing illegal shit, posting porn or gore, trying to hack or harm the forum, being a general shithead. :thumbsup:

We'll deal with other issues as they arise.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Madrigal » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:21 am

Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:04 am
Also I'm Jewish. Madrigal seems to think I'm a Zionist, but that part isn't true. I'm not sure where she got that idea from.
Well, in one of your dozen incarnations of banned usernames, you were a Zionist maybe about 8 years ago. Most white people are anyway, it's not special. (Israel has dilapidated a lot of its political capital since 1948, but I think people still tend to see the State as legit.) Also, I wasn't even talking to you and you brought this up again.

Re: the rules, I'm glad we're not talking about it anymore.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by djm » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:54 am

Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:25 pm
stories about the oppression of white South African farmers
I work a lot in South Africa, there is definitely a problem there. In Tzaneen (Limpopo) three people have been decapitated outside the local school in the last six months, with no real attempt at investigating by police. I know many farmers that have had their land taken illegally and given way below market value compensation. Sometimes these farms have been in the family for a few hundred years, and were planted on virgin land purchased fairly or in areas uninhabited at the time.

I have driven past mile after mile of dead fruit trees and ruined farms that have been taken and given to locals. Those farms used to provide good employment for thousands, and now the areas have nothing but unemployment and wrecked buildings. But hey they get to own the dead trees.

Recently the move to not prosecute murders of farmers has led to an upswing in violence, and it is becoming dangerously like Zimbabwe under Mugabe. I hope that this does not happen, as it ruined Zimbabwe's agriculture helping nobody.

South Africa has a complicated patchwork of immigration and settlement, with British, Boars, Hugonauts, Africans of tribes from other regions all playing a role. It is often simplistically presented as white colonists rocking up and taking land off people, but this does not stand much scrutiny.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Julius_Van_Der_Beak » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:45 pm

Madrigal wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:21 am
Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:04 am
Also I'm Jewish. Madrigal seems to think I'm a Zionist, but that part isn't true. I'm not sure where she got that idea from.
Well, in one of your dozen incarnations of banned usernames, you were a Zionist maybe about 8 years ago. Most white people are anyway, it's not special. (Israel has dilapidated a lot of its political capital since 1948, but I think people still tend to see the State as legit.) Also, I wasn't even talking to you and you brought this up again.
Based on what? I don't think I ever once defended Israel's policies towards Palestinians or anything like that. Actually, a lot of your good friends have made way more anti-Arab or "middle Eastern" statements than I ever have. I think my one position that could be construed as possibly falling under that category (if you lack any understanding of nuance) is the idea that maybe periodicals aren't at fault for having their offices attacked if they post something that offends a religion. To me it seems like you're applying a double standard.

Things have deteriorated enough in the world at large that I feel compelled to call it out, and it would probably come up again anyway, since it's one of two issues you are passionate about it and see as non-negotiable, along with feminism (you even seem pretty chill about South African apartheid apologists) I might as well address it head on.

Anyway, you should know that I've considered deleting my account because I doubt whether posting here is a productive use of my time and I feel like it's causing me to move backward rather than forward.

Also it's evident to me that this is your space, and if there is an irreconcilable conflict between us, it seems to me that the thing to do is leave. I don't think pretending that there isn't one or trying to sweep it under the rug is going to work in this case, regrettably.

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Re: Rules and all that (feedback welcome)

Post by Madrigal » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:10 pm

Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:45 pm
Based on what? I don't think I ever once defended Israel's policies towards Palestinians or anything like that. Actually, a lot of your good friends have made way more anti-Arab or "middle Eastern" statements than I ever have. I think my one position that could be construed as possibly falling under that category (if you lack any understanding of nuance) is the idea that maybe periodicals aren't at fault for having their offices attacked if they post something that offends a religion. To me it seems like you're applying a double standard.

Things have deteriorated enough in the world at large that I feel compelled to call it out, and it would probably come up again anyway, since it's one of two issues you are passionate about it and see as non-negotiable, along with feminism (you even seem pretty chill about South African apartheid apologists) I might as well address it head on.

Anyway, you should know that I've considered deleting my account because I doubt whether posting here is a productive use of my time and I feel like it's causing me to move backward rather than forward.

Also it's evident to me that this is your space, and if there is an irreconcilable conflict between us, it seems to me that the thing to do is leave. I don't think pretending that there isn't one or trying to sweep it under the rug is going to work in this case, regrettably.
When you created an account here I thought it was no big deal because I couldn't even remember why you annoyed me. You just reminded me - I have no idea wtf you're talking about, but I know I wasn't talking about any of it.

I think you have pyshcological problems. You're not going to leave, you're just going to say you will. You're doing your weird thing again where you drag me into a convo and attribute weird shit to me, and it really makes me think you're just here to see me.

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