The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by ashi » Mon May 17, 2021 1:57 pm

Utisz wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 6:07 am
I was referring to this type of story

Yes, this was both obvious and what I was alluding to by saying "fear of Soviet cheating".

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by Utisz » Wed May 19, 2021 6:03 am

ashi wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 1:57 pm
Utisz wrote:
Mon May 17, 2021 6:07 am
I was referring to this type of story
Yes, this was both obvious and what I was alluding to by saying "fear of Soviet cheating".
:hat:

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by Julius_Van_Der_Beak » Wed May 19, 2021 6:38 pm

ashi wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 5:20 pm
Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 3:39 pm
ashi wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 3:21 pm
Julius_Van_Der_Beak wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 5:36 pm
I'm starting to wonder if we're going to start seeing GOP feminism become a thing.
I think my answer is the same regardless, but I am curious what you meant by that and how you would expect it to manifest. What are its signs and precursors?
I was conceiving of a potential realignment based on TERFy types flocking to the GOP banner to protect women's spaces (like female athletics) being invaded by "men" or something like that. I guess my roadmap is people supporting the war in Iraq because "they're terrible to women over there." Then again I don't hear many people defending Israel's behavior with similar justifications these days. It may have had more to do with the post-911 climate than anything else.
Oh, in that case: No one actually cares about women they just do things like cite the mistreatment of women in Muslim majority countries to whitewash their existing biases, whether that be justifying war abroad or dismissing the need for feminism domestically. Feminism and women are only ever pawns to neo-liberals.

Oh, and feminazis don't exist, so they won't be flocking to the GOP any more than they flocked to Bill Clinton's socialist regime to entice his PC police to put good freethinking men on the naughty step or whatever unhinged fantasy Rush Limbaugh was selling 30 years ago and your lot have recycled today.
Not sure what you mean by "my lot" (if the implication is that I'm a neoliberal, that's hilarious; I was part of the radical left before it was cool. If you mean brocialist, guilty as charged, I guess). When you say "feminazis don't exist" do you mean to say TERFs don't exist (since that is the actual term I used)?

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by Park » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:13 am

Madrigal wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:55 pm
I tend to agree with the idea (which I don't really think is a matter of opinion) that men generally have a biological advantage over women in terms of speed and strength. But what would happen if trans women were allowed to compete in women's sports? Would soccer teams be composed of only trans women, while trans track competitors consistently defeat biological women unti there's no point in them even signing up? It seems like any of these extreme scenarios would be highly improbable. But if they were to happen, would it be wrong (after all, 'they are all women')?
The guy who wrote the book Starting Strength also geave the best argument I’ve heard sofar as to why it’s unfair that transwomen compete with biological women in sports. In short, males are born with a higher muscular efficiency (the ability to quickly recruit muscle into contraction) than females. This ability is not effected significantly by testosterone administration, there are therefore competitive advantages which can not be overcomed by simply lowering testosteron in an athletes body.

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by HighlyIrregular » Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:11 am

The trans Olympian smiled after each of her three failed attempts. I wouldn't be surprised if she's the only one who passes a theoretical stricter drug test. I think PEDs are supposed to make you meaner.

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by Park » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:29 pm

HighlyIrregular wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:11 am
The trans Olympian smiled after each of her three failed attempts. I wouldn't be surprised if she's the only one who passes a theoretical stricter drug test. I think PEDs are supposed to make you meaner.
I don't really understand your point?

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by HighlyIrregular » Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:50 pm

Park wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:29 pm
I don't really understand your point?
I mean she seemed to have an exceptionally good attitude which may be a sign that she's not taking performance enhancing drugs. Maybe she feels bad about the born-a-man thing and thinks the least she could do is not take banned substances.

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by Senseye » Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:15 pm

I'm starting to think she may just want to compete for political reasons (i.e. to make a statement) and is not that serious about her training and/or winning.

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Re: The uneasy partnership of feminism and trans rights

Post by Park » Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:16 pm

Senseye wrote:
Fri Aug 06, 2021 8:15 pm
I'm starting to think she may just want to compete for political reasons (i.e. to make a statement) and is not that serious about her training and/or winning.
I train weightlifting and I really don’t hope that is the case. The women at the olympics have trained many years to qualify for their spot. It’s bad enough that the rules allow a 43 year old transwoman to take a spot from a bio women but if she only took it in order to make a statement, that would just be double pissing on her opponents. When I mention her age it is because I’m pretty sure it is unheard of that a female athlete manages to suddenly pop up and participate at the olympics at the (for a weightlifter) redicurlessly old age of 43. The winner of her weightclass Li Wen Wen is 21 y/o silver medalist 27 y/o and bronze 33 y/o.

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