Trivia Contest 2021
Re: Trivia Contest 2021
Not what I have! You're on the right track though. (I used a different method, but sinh(1) -sinh(-1) = 0? Also c β 2/2.35? I think the latter is just a typo though.)Ferrus wrote: βSat Jul 03, 2021 7:22 amCurve is catenary (thanks to the physics of hanging chains) shifted to origin so c*cosh(x) - c.
Arch length of c*cosh(x) - c = I_a^b cosh(x) = sinh(x)
(derivative in arclength term cancels out constant)
Therefore c*(sinh(1) -sinh(-1)) = 2
Therefore c*2.35 β 2
c β 2.35/2 β 0.85
So curve is approximately 0.85*cosh(x) - 0.85
0.85*cosh(1) - 0.85 or 0.85*cosh(-1) - 0.85 β 0.46
Correct! 10 points.
Correct! 10 points.
Correct! 10 points.Ferrus wrote: βSat Jul 03, 2021 7:43 amπ
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Correct! 10 points.
Correct! 10 points.
Not the one. You're on a roll though!
Re: Trivia Contest 2021
sinh is odd function (https://images.app.goo.gl/jsgPaysUfMuX8TDHA), so it is possible to get a length from that calculation (cosh cancels). Also the integration was between 1 and -1 which was incorrect it should be -0.5 and 0.5. sinh(0.5) - sinh(-0.5) is 2sinh(0.5)
However I realised the actual equation for a catenary is a*cosh(x/a) not a*cosh(x).
if you do the arclength integral calculations the arclength of a catenary is asinh(x/a)
My workings:
a(sinh(0.5/a) - sinh(-0.5/a)) = 2
2a(sinh(0.5/a)) = 2
a*sinh(1/2a) = 1
So...
I will just graph a*sinh(1/2a) - 1, graphing that I get 0.23 as the minimum.
So the equation is 0.23cosh(x/0.23) - 0.23
(As acosh(0) = a)
at 0.5 and -0.5 the height is:
0.79
it strikes me there is an upper bound by pythagoras of 0.87
and a lower bound of 0.5 as you mentioned.
So after a sanity check this result seems at least plausible.
graphs here:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator/9xhchsv4o2
Last edited by Ferrus on Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:43 pm, edited 5 times in total.
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