Ship of Theseus Paradox

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Ship of Theseus Paradox

Post by HighlyIrregular II » Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:17 am

Could someone mention Mashy if this doesn't work... @mashy

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Kari wrote:Ship of Theseus paradox
Theseus owns and sails a ship. Every month, when he sails to port, he has one old plank of his ship replaced with a brand new plank. By the time 10 years has passed, not a single original plank of wood remains in Theseus’ ship. Unbeknownst to Theseus, however, the ship repairman has saved all of the old planks that he removes from Theseus’ ship.

Slowly, he constructs a new ship. By the time 10 years has passed, he has acquired every single original plank from Theseus’ ship and arranged them exactly as they were in Theseus’ original ship.

Which of the two existing ships is numerically one and the same ship as Theseus’ original ship? Is it the ship with all new parts, or the re-constructed ship with all of the original parts?
Neither is number one. The one reconstructed from original planks should be qualified as such due to the entirely new fasteners and absence of the old ones and the fact that the ship never was sailed by the original sailor when it had the new fasteners. The one with different material also should be qualified as such. Things are disassembled, moved, and reassembled all the time, but when to call them original, unqualified, should be considered on a case by case basis.

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Re: Ship of Theseus Paradox

Post by Senseye » Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:15 pm

I'd still vote for the ship Theseus owns. And keep in mind Theseus replaced those planks for a reason. Weathered, cracked, barnacled, what have you. Some of those planks replaced in the later years were probably on their last legs.

The copy ship from recycled planks is probably pretty rickety. I wouldn't be surprised if the ship repairman didn't have to replace a few with other planks himself before he even set sail.

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Re: Ship of Theseus Paradox

Post by Utisz » Sun Apr 07, 2024 4:52 am

Whichever answer fills your heart with joy.

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