Dot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:07 am
If you could've come up with actual evidence that Zelenskyy himself and not just some percentage of Ukrainians like Bandera, by this point, you would have.
Zelensky: "so for me, look at the fact that Stepan Bandera is a hero for some percentage of Ukrainians and this is normal cool this is one of those people who defended the freedom of Ukraine"
You still have nothing to say about the fact that the Ukrainian parliament as a whole tweeted in support of Bandera.
So just to be 100% clear, you agree that your rant about the Volhynia Massacre suggests nothing about the current interest or lack thereof that Ukraine has in invading Poland, right? Putting aside the purely logistical limitations that you "ominously" referred to.
So now we agree? You're correct that I said nothing about Ukraine wanting to invade Poland.
lol you sound so fucking disappointed that we're not freezing to death.
I literally said that it's lucky. Stop trying to put malicious words in my mouth. The only one here celebrating evil is you.
And it's not you that would be freezing to death, I'm sure you have no worries about that. It's the poor people in those countries I mentioned, the ones who suffered the most in previous times when the Russian gas was cut off.
I didn't address the book burnings thing before because you made so many other false claims and also I didn't find any information about it one way or another in legitimate sources. So I finally searched for it on twitter and lol, there it is. Are you just basing this on random twitter trolls.
If by "random twitter trolls" you mean Richard Engel, chief foreign correspondent for NBC news, sure.
But literally burning books is such a minor part of it that I'll agree that it's hyperbole to use the phrase. I'm mostly concerned about the laws banning Russian literature and music, which are totalitarian enough in their own right.
Seems you've reduced this claim to only the "...in schools" part. It doesn't do your arguments any favors when you resort to hyperbole so often.
I cited a reliable source that talks about it in detail. It goes much further than "in schools" and it's a humanitarian crime. Imagine how people would react if USA banned instruction in the Spanish language in schools nationally. Imagine if they made it illegal for shopkeepers to greet customers in Spanish, with a fine imposed equivalent to half the average yearly salary. It would obviously be recognized as oppression of an ethnic minority.
Source? I've failed to find any legitimate body outside of Russia claiming that Ukraine has violated this covenant.
My source is the covenant itself
https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-me ... cal-rights
Specifically articles 12 and 27
Draft evasion ("banning them from leaving the country") was criminalized in virtually all countries that use(d) the system...
That's not at all the equivalent of what's happening here. Ukraine has banned ALL men 18-60 from leaving the country, regardless of whether they've been conscripted. As the article I posted above makes clear "Countries have a right to conscript their citizens in time of war, but until incorporated into the military, these men remain war-affected civilians, entitled to the same protection and support as other civilians in war."
Judging by the way you're trying to worm out of this by circling back to "men 18 - 64," I assume you've dropped this claim too. But yeah, this is false.
I posted a poll above that shows that most Ukrainians do not support the law trapping half of the population within its borders. Here it is again.
https://www.humansecuritylab.net/news/n ... travel-ban
And in other news, Facebook has decided that Azov is no longer a "dangerous organization", so they'll be allowed to organize and self-promote on that platform:
https://www.engadget.com/meta-takes-ukr ... 47875.html
Actual swastika-waving nazis are okay now because the USA MIC supports them.
It was just very recently in history when waving a swastika around in public would earn instant, broad condemnation from the general public. "If you're at a rally and somebody is waving a nazi flag, you're at a nazi rally". Now those same people are apologizing for and defending neo-nazis. It will never cease to blow my mind how easily malleable the public will is. Whoever big brother says is the enemy, they'll be comforted in cheering for the home team. I'm just surrounded by bootlickers.
And you want to act like it's hyperbole to make comparisons to Nazis. They're waving swastikas. They're openly praising a man who collaborated with the Nazis and shared their most evil goals. They're oppressing ethnic minorities and enacting totalitarian controls on their population. It's right there in front of you.
An endless active war in Ukraine, sustained by a steady drip of weapons shipments over the course of years, would be the most profitable outcome for NATO, far more so than a quick win.
Exactly what I said pages ago. This is intended to be the next in a long line of forever wars. But Russia seems to have adapted their strategy to sit back in their own borders and launch missiles, drones, and fill the occupied territories with expendable troops from their prisons and ethnic minorities. The only ones to benefit will the war profiteers as Ukraine is devastated, the effects of which will echo for generations, as we've seen in the middle east most recently. Those who want peace will be mocked, silenced, denounced as traitors and cowards, as we've seen time and again.
And so I guess, for the majority of people contributing to this conflict, it's correct to say "War is Peace"